Video: Go for the Gold! Unless Platinum is More Your Vibe

(Danielle McClelland Speaks)

Hi. Can you all hear me?

(Maria Boccalandro Speaks)

Yes ma'am.

(Danielle McClelland Speaks)

Marcos Estrada was not able to join us today. and so I'm happy to talk with you all all about a special program that the city of Dallas has to recognise businesses that have voluntarily taken the initiative to in a sustainable manner. And that recognition program is our green business certification program that's issued by the city of Dallas. There are a lot of standards for certification of green businesses. There are international standards such as ISO 14,000. also recognize businesses and the most recognizable program that's operated and awarded by the US Green Building Council. And then municipality's also have recognition programs in certification programs. And in Texas, the city of Dallas, of course, has we have our program. And then also in this region, the city of Plato has one, and the city of San Antonio does as well. In Dallas our green business certification program is a free service that we offer as a consultancy to companies who are either already going green and operating in an environmentally friendly manner or those who are interested in going green, maybe they've taken some basic steps, but they want to know what else can we do? And it's a way for us to just recognize those efforts that they have already initiated to prevent waste and to operate in a sustainable manner. This program also supports and helps us to provide technical assistance and training to those businesses. Our Green Business certification programs started off as an effort to encourage businesses to reduce their waste and to recycle in support of dialysis local Solid Waste Management Plan. We provide commercial technical assistance in helping businesses to reduce waste, and we also encouraged them to recycle because more than 75% of the waste that's generated in Dallas from multifamily and commercial accounts can be recycled. And so as part of Dallas is 0 waste plan, we've identified a target to divert eighty-five percent of the waste that is generated in the city from our landfill and we want to do that through not only promoting reuse and recycling, but also conservation programs and more importantly, evaluating the entire life cycle of a product and for businesses and organizations to look at their processes and systems that generate waste. Our zero waste plan describes a number of strategies to help us do that so that we can achieve zero waste, which for us means an 85% diversion rate.

So how do businesses apply? Well, it's very simple. We just want them to contact us. They can reach out to us and I'll have contact information at the end of the presentation. If the business may not be aware of the program, but you go into a business and now you know about this program, you can refer them to us or you can contact us and say, Hey, you all at the city of Dallas, you really need to check out this business or this company or this organization because I think they're doing great things. So that's the first thing is to reach out to us. And from that, they can also download the application or a green business scorecard and see the areas in which they would be evaluated and they just fill it out and submit it to us. We verify the information that they provide it through site visits, and then we give them a rating and they get a chance to have some bragging points. So what's included in Dallas' green business scorecard. And again, as I said, it started out for us and initially as a recycling program and so we're looking at recycling. But before recycling and simple need to reorder this I think is policy and business has to make a decision to adopt certain practices and guidelines as a manner of its normal course of operation in order to have a sustainable impact or good impact on its natural environment. And so we look at what kind of policies are in place. What are, what is the business doing related to transportation and also to water, as well as to energy in addition to waste. So when we talk about recycling, it's very simply reducing the amount of waste sent to the landfills through the reuse in the capturing of the materials like cardboard, like paper, like metal, plastic and glass containers. And then also, are they recycling other items? Most traditional programs recycled those that I just mentioned but there are also electronics recycling programs, recycling of light bulbs that even textiles and other materials. And other materials such as food and organic waste can be recycled through a process known as composting. So maybe the business has a composting operation on site or maybe they're diverting their food or organic waste to a composting program. And there are a number of Khan posters in the area who pick up these materials now from businesses and turn that organic waste into compost.

So when we talk about policy, businesses can get points on our green business scorecard by being aware of Dallas' zero waste plan and implementing their own. So for example. Does the business discourage the use of things like water bottles and other single-use plastics. Do they not use plastic bags in their operations instead are they using paper bags exclusively or encouraging the use of reusable bags? Has the business established a policy that as a part of its normal operations, it wants to divert materials from the garbage can. Do they have a target goal already set? Do they have employees and workers who were familiar with those goals, who are working actively as part of a green team to help implement the sustainable practices the business wants to follow. In the area of transportation, again, we're looking at what is the business doing to focus on sustainable transportation so that as a part of their operations and the operations of their employees and their customers, what are they doing to help reduce harmful emissions? And how are they working to impact the environment? So do they participate in a bike-sharing program? One of the most meaningful experiences that I've had recently in travel is I stayed at a hotel that offered in San Francisco. And the hotel said, you know, we, we love ride-sharing programs, but we wanna make free bikes available to our patrons. You bike around their city and so is the organization doing things like that? Does the business offer telecommuting or a flex policy for employees? I know that many of us who can are working remotely or telecommuting to work and doing a lot of virtual engagements. But is this something that the business has embraced and will embrace going forward? This is a way they can score points on the green business scorecard. Does the company participate in commuter surveys to help create a plan to improve sustainability? And this is a really big one that is very important. There's a lot of federal money available for installing electric vehicle charging stations and so in Dallas, if if a particular a multi-family property is interested in doing this, please send us an email at Dallas recycles at Dallas City And we can connect you with some funding opportunities that are available in this area.

So when we talk about water conservation. Water, as we know, is the most important natural resource that we have. And so it's important that we all do what we can to conserve and preserve our water supply. And so from a business standpoint or accompanies standpoint, what are they doing around landscaping? Are you incorporating xeriscaping techniques? I love this photo here because right here we see that not only are there landscaping, drought tolerant and drought resistant, but we also have a permeable surface here, rather than concreting from here to Oklahoma, are we using surfaces that allow storm water runoff to soak into the ground to encourage natural filtration because we know that any water that leaves our property is not filtered before it makes its way into our creeks, into our Trinity River and eventually into for us here in North Texas the Gulf of Mexico. So what is the business doing in those areas? So they can get points for that or they reusing the water. So are you capturing rainwater for irrigation so that you're not using good clean drinking water because that's essentially what's coming out of every tap and every fountain for irrigation. Are you applying or using appliances that opera low-flow opportunities? So for example, what's your sinks and toilets are those low flow? And then in the area of energy efficiency, this is another exciting picture I love to see this. This is from one of our certified businesses on their route, they're using solar panels. So we are using solar panels or wind power or a more efficient energy source to help save money and your bills, but also to help improve air quality and reducing carbon emissions in our natural environment. Businesses can also have timed lighting or light sensors that recognize, hey, it's sunlight. We're getting a lot of good natural sunlight. We don't need to have the light so bright or are using LED bulbs and things that save energy. Also are utilizing any tracking tools. A lot of especially multi large, large, large developments have HVAC managers and tracking equipment to manage that. So another way, and we talked earlier about a national standard. You may not pursue leed certification or an organization may not pursued lead certification. But that doesn't mean that you can't be designed to lead standards. And so there's a intact and that is actually very, very rewarding and has a great impact in how businesses operate. So in design and redesign, being able to do that to elite standards, to improve, improve your energy efficiency is key. So those are the levels. Those are the areas that we look at for a business' operations. And we have four

levels of green business certification.

So the first are kind of our entry-level, that's our bronze. So businesses that are doing some basic level, environmental best management practices and at least two of those areas that we talked about and then it progresses from there. Right now, in Dallas, all of our all of our businesses, our gold level certified, and that's because we just added the platinum level, but we do have some that are going for that. They are looking to increase their level of certification. And so some of the reasons that that we want to encourage businesses to pursue this certification and recognition. For us, the primary reason is that it's good for the environment. For many businesses, it saves money. It also improves employee wellness and productivity, especially when you and morale, especially when you consider that for those companies that encourage walking or that encouraged ride share, that encouraged telecommuting. It helps improve the quality of life of your employees. It also provides you a marketing edge over your competition. We have a whole marketing materials that the businesses can use in their campaigns. They can put the certification on their website. We've got stickers, we like to brag about them and help them to be able to do the same. And it helps to increase their awareness and their recognition as an environmental leader, not only with their customers, but also with their competitors. And so these are just a few of the businesses that have become gold certified at the city of Dallas, we've got a wide range of types of businesses that have pursuit that certification. The Bank of America Plaza, the Fairmont Hotel, and downtown Dallas. Good Coworking is one of our more recent ones. We've got some restaurants. This is one of my favorites, more disposal service. So we have a company who is in the business of managing waste and they're also doing their own waste and their own operations in an environmentally sustainable manner that's more disposal. Richland College is green business certified and we also have other colleges in the Dallas college system that are looking to pursue that certification. So anyone who is interested, please reach out to us. Our email address is Dallas recycles at Dallas city We have a presence on Facebook and Twitter and social media and also on Instagram. And it's very easy to do. And again, we just appreciate the businesses who have already avail themselves of this program and we look forward to working with more. And again, as if you as a, as a student or as a patron or as a customer of any business in the city of Dallas. If you notice something that they're doing, that's good. Tell us about it and we'll reach out to them.

Stop sharing my screen now. And I'm happy to take questions.

OK Dr. Maria, I can't hear you.

It's actually Nancy's trying to get on, but we don't have any questions in the queue right now. We can open up the questions that the session.

So if who's going next Freddie? Yes. To all the participants.

Thank you. Yeah, to the participants, please post your questions in the Q and A. And presenters feel free to also answer them on the chat. So let's welcome. Freddie Castillo.

Hey, everyone, sorry about that. And you go and present now?

(Freddie Speaks)

I'm not presenting I'm here for IT support The second presenter and not presenting today.

Okay. For you. I'm going to do it verbally because I'm part of the panelist. I wanted to ask you, there's a system in the city of Orlando that is, has a dashboard for energy efficiency of commercial buildings. And this gives the people who want to rent commercial space an indicator as can you hear me?

Yes, we can. Dr. Maria?

(Maria Boccalandaro Speaks)

Yeah. I'm sorry. Let me put on my ear buds. Yeah. I've been having computer all day and now it's intranet. But what I wanted to mention is in the city of Orlando, they have a dashboard that they've put together for commercial buildings and it's about energy efficiency. So if you have, if you want to rent an office, you can actually see how efficient the building is in managing energy and that's going to impact your bottom line of your business. So I was wondering if apart from the different criteria, the criteria that you explain Dnielle, anything around energy efficiency and a dashboard like that that you have been thinking about? It's a question. We don't have a dashboard currently but I've just made a note of that and we will definitely check it out. We'd love to learn from our peers and other cities and appropriate in their best ideas and make them work for us. So that's a that's a really good one.

Thank you. Any other question? I'd just like to stress again that it is really very helpful as you are going about your daily life. Those participants who are on the call, one of our green businesses was actually recruited by me. I stopped every morning for coffee at this place and I noticed that, you know, the guy always gave me a real coffee mug instead of a paper bag and I would take it with me and bring it back or he would let me bring in my own coffee mug and reuse it. And so one day it just the light bulb kinda went off and I said, hey, you know what else, what else are you doing? Let me turn on my camera. I said, you know, what else are you doing here, michael over at Full City Rooster. just south of downtown Dallas. And he said, well, I've got this really energy-efficient coffee roaster and I thought, wow, that's really cool. And so my colleague, who was actually going to get today's presentation, but he's not well, so I'm pinch hitting for him. My colleague reached out to him and had him complete the application. And Full City Rooster coffee, roasters studios is now one of the cities green business certified organizations. And so, you know, we see stuff and just kinda passes us by. But as you are, as you're going about the course of your normal operation. If you see a business that's doing something really good or do you think it might be a good candidate for our program? Please refer them to us because we are looking to grow and expand the program and have more businesses voluntarily do the kinds of programs that we're interested in seeing happen for Dallas. And I and I emphasize voluntarily because one of the one of the one of the objectives in our local Solid Waste Management Plan, as well as in our comprehensive environmental climate action plan, is to require some of the types of things that are captured under our current voluntary program. So, for example, requiring commercial recycling is something that is probably going to be coming very soon to the city of Dallas.

We do have a question in the Q and Amy is asking, once a business receives a green certification, can the batch credential be shared or posted on the business website? Absolutely. We encourage it. Can you give some examples of the businesses that are green business certified?

Yes. Yes. Ok. So one that I mentioned is Full City Rooster, the Fairmont Hotel is one. Turn composting is another. There is we talked to in the presentation about I think it's more waste services. And then a number of office complexes and office offices, office buildings that have multiple clients also have the certification. And I think we've got a day care which really speaks to their level of commitment. I had a question. So do you have to recertified every year or I don't know if you said that I couldn't hear you. When do you have to recertify. So right now the program is a one-year certification. And so we like I said, we're looking for businesses to move from where they are to where they would like to be. And right now, most of our businesses again, because they've made the commitment voluntarily to do all of these actions. A number of them are already at Gold and we've already heard from several of them saying that they are pursuing platinum because now there thinking about things like, well, you know, what is my what is happening with my landscaping. You'd have got this wonderful service that comes out and they switch out these plants, but maybe they aren't plants that are adapted to our area. And so as they're making their landscaping plans, they're redesigning with the mind of we want to increase our points.

So for the folks who are participating, I've really kind of curious what are some of the businesses that you all are encountering that you think might be good for the city to in Dallas, the city of Dallas to go talk to about this program. Do you have any restaurants that you like to frequent? In the presentation we talked about when I think it was Nick's. Next, that is doing some good things. Do you have particular grocery store that you notice? Hey, they they automatically give us paper bags. They don't ask us for paper or plastic. So if you get drop those in the Q and A as sort of answers, it would really be helpful. Or if you've noticed, for example, as, as I have that there are places that have electric charging stations. So whether it's an office building or whether it's a standalone business, I see someone who's made a note here about Snappy Salads.

Thank you. I'm taking that down. We'll definitely check them out and see what they've got going on. Or Hugo's. Okay. Now another, another industry that you might not think of as an environmentally friendly one, but dry cleaners at my dry cleaners, for example, you know, they love to have a spring back, the plastic shrink wrap that they put everything under when we go to pick it up. And they encouraged us to also bring back our hangers. So Hugo's, I'm not familiar with Hugo, but we'll definitely look, look them up, but then the Snappy Salads. So that's a good one. And what about for those of you who had jobs? What about the places that you work? As I mentioned, I know that we have one college in the Dallas college system that is already gripping business certified and we have a couple other who have expressed an interest. But when you think about where you work at your office or at your job, do you guys have a recycling program in place? Have you ever noticed that all of the lights aren't always on? I know at the city of Dallas, We have an entire department who has approached us saying, Hey, we know you have this recognition program for other businesses, but what about for city departments? And so for example, our parking department has on their team who is pushing. Adapt this business recognition programs so that city departments can also apply for the certification. O la cafe. That's another good one. Thank you.

Will definitely reach out to them and check them out and see if he's got and I'm just writing this down because I don't want to miss anything inside and we're putting on the yeah. Kind of keep an eye on the chat. That we haven't had one in the Yes. Yes. I wanted to answer your question about Dallas College. We are doing recycling in all of our campuses. We participate in a competition there is for education called Recycle Mania. But we have champions like Richmond and Northlake that have been able to divert a lot of waste into not only the recycling, but also composting. So we are doing that. We are doing a strategy of green purchasing that now we have on our vendor program, Jaggard, it's highlighted and we're going to be training the people who purchase so that we do more green purchasing. We also do climate action plans and greenhouse gas reports and anything that just with energy efficiency and water efficiency, we're into like for example, Cedar Valley campus. 80% of the watering we do on our campus comes from the lake, so we don't use potable water. And then we have a Vet tech program and so we use we have hoofed animals and so we do composting with the manure. So we're composting the yard trimmings. A Buzkashi composting with water is alive, which is one of the non-profits that is present here. And this is an alumni Virginia Kilgore. And so we've been trying to teach about composting. It's a little bit hard because we don't have such so much source of food because we only have subway. And believe it or not, there are pre consumed in post-consumer. It's not that much organics, it's more paper. So, but yeah, we're our webpage. I'll put it in the chat, but our webpage of sustainability and shows everything we're doing.

(Maria Bocclandro Speaks)

Now my question is, would the city of Dallas certify the campuses that are in the city of Dallas. Is there a special kind of certification for Education? Apps, kind of office, you know, it's a different it's a different operation than a restaurant. Absolute we need to see what they're doing. And the application would be for the individual campuses. And as a reference in the presentation we do have one campus now and I'm not sure I remember off the top of my head which one it was again, my colleague manages that program. So I don't know all of the ones that do know that we do have one of the columns is certified and another who has expressed an interest in pursuing the certification. The whole purpose of this program is to just kind of bring recognition to what organizations like Dallas College we're already doing. I mean, many of the things that you've talked about are on the scorecard. You've also referenced a number of initiatives that are not. And so there's an opportunity to really differentiate your operation and yourself in the marketplace. And we love working with the colleges because there's so much enthusiasm for, for what we're trying to do in our community around sustainability and protecting the environment. And in the fact that Dallas College this has a C cap is amazing. And it's also and an area where we are learning from we them in this fatality are learning from those who are already operating in these spaces about best practices and the best things that need to happen in order to make our environment, our collective environment, one that is healthy for all of us. Some Q and A that we can look at. Danielle, for example, Leslie Finch says Whole Foods in El Paso has electric charge as well.

(Maria Boccalondro Speaks)

She also says she asked she has a question. Would certification be okay even for a small business? And then she says, I am in El Paso, Texas. One of our buildings at the University of Texas at , El Paso is leed certified, and then we have Amy Finley, once a business receives a green certification, can the batch credential be shared or posted on oh, yeah. But when you already answered, so let's answer Leslie's and Annalise sorry, I'm pronouncing wrong gleam and Annalise Finch question about small businesses. So Annalise, the great thing about our program is that it's scalable and the same criteria, the same or what we're looking for from everyone. And so it doesn't matter how large an organization is or how small a business that might be. Each of them is welcome to apply to and as a matter of fact, most of the ones that have the certification and that I know about are actually smaller operations. They're not, you know, multinational conglomerates who have these big strategies and plans already in place. There are smaller, more home-based, more locally because that hurts and the kinds of initiatives that we've talked about. So someone who cared about recycling and they said, I don't want to recycle at work. And so in the case of the daycare center and that's kind of where they started. They said we want to offer recycling. We'd see a lot of juice boxes that go out and I can recycle a juice box it why can't I recycle it at work? And so absolutely, Small businesses are definitely encouraged and welcome to apply as well as medium and large sized as well. Good question.

(Maria Boccalandro Speaks)

I wanted it to add to that, let me see if I could put video without losing internet. But I Can you see me? Yes. Yeah. I actually my I did my PhD in Political Science and my dissertation was about sustainable tourism. And what we developed was a methodology to go to hotels, restaurants, anything that helped the tourism. And they had a self-assessment tool to see how sustainable they were. And we found, we found, for example, in I'm originally from Caracas, Venezuela. So I was in the tropics in an island and we were doing there. And so we found this bed and breakfast place that the quality and they were really unsustainable. I mean, they were doing everything wrong. And the baseline they did, they got the lowest punctuation because they were wasting water, they were waste. They had a freezer that didn't close well, they had, they had parrots. They wanted to show to the tourists parrots. So they hadn't been, I mean, it was a disaster. Disaster. And this small bed and breakfast. And so I mean to point to point to make point on the small business. The small business, since it was a mom mom and dad kind of operation, they were able to switch that around. And the second year they won not only the Most Improved category, but they went from, I don't know, from the lowest level to the highest level in a year and a half. Because they, they could really control what they were doing. And another point of view is we were at the Marriott and Mc Allen, Texas. And what they were doing is they were doing this operation with the soap. There were people would leave half of the soap and they would clean it and they would make it into small soap and they would give it to people like the homeless because having soap and water, it's really a now with a pandemic. And so I went to the hotel and I said, well, how about the shampoo? And so he said, oh, you're absolutely right. Well, the small hotels or putting a dispenser of shampoo, all those little bottles. So I came back a year later and he says, I'm still fighting for the shampoo. It's really hard because it's a huge organization. So you have the positive of small and nimble and making the changes and then you have the difficulty of doing it in a big one. But once they do it, then it's huge, the impact. But I really want to acknowledge Danielle that the city of Dallas for everything you're doing and that climate action plan is incredible. I was asked to serve as a volunteer as a member of that committee and having the time of my life.

(Danielle McClellan Speaks)

I've got to tell you we thank you because really helped to drive policy and it's on the inside of the organization as employees sometimes, you know, we have all this great stuff that we want to do. but just getting support and the will for it, it really means a lot when our residents and people who work here in the city of Dallas are invested and who say this is what we want and the change is driven from folks like you who volunteer, who give of your time and your cell to help guide what the city does and that makes it sustainable, that makes it long-term because, you know, it's easy for the city to mandate something and pass an ordinance or draft a plan or create a plan. But it takes all of us working together to make it happen. Team effort.

(Maria Boccalandro Speaks)

And I actually have a really good question here, and thank you so much, Michelle Davis Mohammed. She's, she's giving an idea which I think is amazing. And other ideas of asking construction sites for material, sizable for student projects and neighborhood through project needs. So connect businesses with the schools. So can you speak a little bit about that Danielle?

(Danielle McClellan Speaks)

In another presentation, and I'm not sure what she means by the materials from construction, but in another presentation slide little later this when we talked about the city's local Solid Waste Management Plan and what Dallas is doing to get that updated. Part of what's in that is an analysis of the waste that is disposed of at our landfills. The city of Dallas operates one of the largest landfills in the US than the second largest in the state of Texas. And we get a lot of construction debris in that. A lot of bricks, rods, dirt, lumber, all kinds of stuff from all of the great development and redevelopment that's happening in North Texas and in our city. And so one thing that our local solid waste management plan we'll be addressing as we're getting an updated now, is how do we manage that waste? How do we manage that debris? How do we keep that stuff out of our landfill? And so reuse and connecting those sites with others who can reuse that material. Our recycle that material is, is definitely a best practice that we're looking to find support for and be able to do here in Dallas. Thank you. Let me see.

(Maria Boccalandro Speaks)

There's anymore questions. Now, maybe I would like to piggyback on that. There's actually in the recycling business. When you talk about Zero waste, there are I think 16 categories of materials and the nerves have done a great job at separating wood and concrete and metal and of course, the cans and bottles or whatever. And those can be sources of materials for other businesses. And so I have a twin sister. My twin sister Virginia, she's She's really sustainable city girl. She lives in off the grid trailer in Colorado in has a hemp farm. So the city girl, what she what she did in California when she lived in Los Angeles, she would work she was in permaculture school and she would work with the construction companies and the broken concrete would be the materials for the beds. They did spiral beds in different schools and they would use the broken concrete for that. So when, when I see the comment from Michelle, maybe she's referring to there could be construction materials like broken concrete that could help build a garden or wood, or things like that. And I think the city is a convener of the businesses and the schools. And I think it would be really cool to try to do some projects where the businesses sponsoring the school. And I have an example, PepsiCo has all these containers where they transport the I don't know, the gooey stuff in the soft drinks. I'm not really I'm not really keen on soft drinks, but there's this gooey stuff that then they put the carbonated water. And so there are these big drums and so we are using them for rain barrel.

(Danielle McClellan Speaks)

Rain barrels, yes.

(Bocclandro Continues)

So if if the city, for example, has a company that has those drums and we can do the connection with the schools. Then we have Texas agri life that can do the, the rain barrel teaching there. And so what we're doing is we're using those barrels or something and not putting them in the waste stream. So that could be another idea.

(Danielle McClellan Speaks)

Exactly. I note, I'm glad to hear that PepsiCo is also doing. I know Coca Cola has a similar program. So that's a very good way of keeping that, as you said, out of the waste stream and putting it back to reuse into something that is, is a good practice. Rain, rainwater, harvesting rainwater and reusing it for irrigation. It just makes sense because we don't want to have the water that we drink going onto the ground. And that's essentially what we're doing when we turn on our sprinklers if they're not connected to a reuse water source.

(Maria Bocclandro Speaks)

Here you go and you haven't gray line, that's really interesting in the city of Dallas. And unfortunately, I don't live in the city of Dallas, so I have a terrible garden because I'm not willing to dump chlorinated water into the garden. It's just doesn't make any sense taking the water out of the river, making it a portable and then dumping it into the into my yard. I just have zeros escape. And sometimes the neighbors are like, oh, your weeds I go, these are the traditional prairie North Texas land with all my weeds in the middle of very happy with them there.

(Danielle McClellan Speaks)

But the butterflies and the other pollinators and the bees are too. Yes. We need more of that design in our landscaping. As a matter of fact. And I'm not sure if it was last weekend, or if it's this weekend, but Dallas has the what is it called? The xeriscape or landscape. It's another department, it's escaping me. How put it in the chat later. There's a landscape competition.

(Maria Bocclandro Speaks)

Yes. And we have a tour here in Coppell, which is I think it's the smart Texas smart scape or something. And we'd go see gardens that are really efficient. So really Dallas WaterWise landscape tour, That's what it is. Okay yer Dallas WiterWise landscapes tour It's a Friday and I think in Spanish. So at this time I'm really, really tired with between both of us we came up with an a, but I would really like to thank Danielle Freddie for coming out from the city. I want to thank also Annalise and Arthur James and Crystal Guzman, Catherine Waddle, King, our friend King Moss, that's always at our sustainability summits. He has a beautiful, very, very designed in a very smart way for water. Michelle Davis Mohammed, Nancy of course, thank you so much for your leadership. And then Silvia Rubalcaba, We had up to, I think we're up to like 20 people coming in and I know people are going from one to another. But Danielle, we wanna thank you. Have a great weekend. If anybody else wants to do any more questions, just lift up your hands. If not several, to go to the next session and I can stay a little bit longer if anybody else wants to chat.

(Danielle McClellan Speaks)

Thank you so much, Daniel, for having me. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. I'm so tell us as I'm looking at you and your natural environment here with the trees behind your smart and five adults and a baby, my grandbaby and he decided to come into my office. So I said I've got to have quiet. Thank you.

(Maria Bocclandro Speaks)

Thank you all for attending the care bye bye.